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Shocked at that Graham, I am so pleased that this lady has at last got access to know how and support she needs after her experiences.
Stepping out into new ventures always brings "what ifs" and hesitancy/ fear, it is natural that we reach out to others if they appear to offer guidance or are a little further forward on the path.
It just seems that this lady has been unlucky in her choice of mentor/ coach, there are many people who have had great results from properly structured coaching and mentoring.
I have a feeling I know who the team are but I wont name them if we are not doing that.
I just wish this lady all the very best for the future
How about niave and trusting?We all know people like that.I also think Clottie has raised a good point. Many people work in secret from their partner and have to suffer alone when things go wrong. I am sure they only did it to make a better life for themselves and their family, and, when it goes wrong, they are too afraid to confess to their partner.I would urge anyone in this situation to confide in your partner and let them help you through it. They might be angry at first, but it is better to bring them into the picture, than continue to exclude them imho ... for the sakes of both parties.It is not a wind up either. She read the geomancer report to me over the phone. It was several pages long and described in detail all the evil spirits in the house, their history, etc. I have also known her for about a year and I first met her at the Property Investor Show where she was assisting on the stand of these two men.
To give some context to this story ... this lady is a highly educated, intelligent, and professional person.
Whilst feeling sorry for her plight it raises for me what kind of intelligence she has got.
Her IQ may be high but her EQ ( emotional quotient) I fear may be low.
In my previous life I came across many successful people in what may be considered the `traditional` sense
ie... well paid jobs, good IQ, well educated, nice house, nice car 2.2 kids etc etc
But their EQ was sometimes all over the shop and they often made messy decisions about people
Many of my LHA tenants are by no stretch of the imagination highly educated. The often have low IQ`s and are non professional but they are very street wise and in touch with the world in other ways. They would have seen this so called mentoring team coming a mile off and shown them the door.
What worries me is that yes many people can learn practical stuff and add to their knowledge through research practice and education. They also know what they dont know. But some people appear to retain a sense of naivety disproportionately to their age throughout their adult life and how ever much you try to point this out to them and raise their awareness they dont seem to be able to always shake it off . As such they will always be susceptible to suggestion and certain people will take advantage of this. I wish i knew the cure.
That's a kind comment Richard. Thank you. I think this lady just wanted someone to listen. There is little I can do to offer her support, other than a shoulder to cry on.I hope PT is a place where people can come for support from the community.Comments like Graham's are unhelpful and uncaring. How about PREDATORY and UNSCRUPLOUS about the two men in the story?. Giving financial advice when they are not FSA registered etc. Leaching more and more money off this poor lady ... I happen to know family friends who have lost money to different schemes, not just property, and I will offer them the same support as I endeavour to offer here. As long as they learn from their experience, they can move on.We will not mention the names of these men. They know who they are and what they did and they will have to live with a complete lack of integrity which is punishment enough. I believe that they will get their just desserts in the end due to kharmic revolutions. I want to focus on why and how someone was taken for a lot of money, so that others might learn to do due diligence, see the warning signs etc. With regards to the geomancer, I must admit, I struggled to see how she could have fallen for that, and, in hindsight, the lady said she could not believe it either. However, at the time, she was worried and confused and believed these men, so she just went with it. I think we can see into the mindset of someone who has placed trust in others and see how they might behave in such a way under duress. A bit like people who lent even more money to PM, even though he hadn't delivered on his original promises? I think they end up kidding themselves, because they know, in their heart, that it's not working, but they don't want to believe it?
Fair enough Graham. But there is "blinded by greed" and "wanting to make a better life for yourself and your family" and maybe the boundaries are blurred at times?
Clottie,I did make some recommendations to this lady along those lines. But I won't be naming these two men on the forum. They are two separate issues.Also - nothing to do with a forehead decoration. Jonathan - valued thoughts, thank you for sharing them. I hope this will evolve into a valuable discussion.
If only you would take the same stance when you talk about your friend LENS GRORNTMANG (not his real name) and his outrageous conduct and carouselling of money resulting in more and more rip offs.
Mark my words when this breaks it will be the biggest story in property of the decade. Susanne said:
Vanessa says "" They know who they are and what they did and they will have to live with a complete lack of integrity which is punishment enough.""
that is absolutely NOT punishment enough in the eyes of many people V.
I utterly understand that you and Nick do not want the hassle of litigious postings and all the bother that entails, but, please allow others, who don't quite have your karmic belief, to recommend that folks like this be reported to the police, and not just left to rub their hands in glee at another naive punter lining their pockets with cash.
If Tamsin Barks had not undertaken her campaign with such vigour, Inside Track would not be in Court today......
It takes two to commit a con.... and yes i have been conned in my life.... and each party is responsible in part. But, and in spite of my earlier comments, i believe the perpetrators of such scams are the party with most responsibility, and should be brought to justice where at all possible - otherwise more unscrupulous scammers continue the sorry saga....
The GRQ schemes prey on the vulnerable.
These people are nothing more than con men. When they get a rich victim, they will focus their efforts and bleed them dry - once the carcass is stripped, off they go to the next person.
I hate conmen of all types. However, they are successful because they are very good at it. Effectively liars, plausible cover stories, explaining to people what they want to hear. I've fallen prey to conmen in the past and as well as the financial loss, it does call you to question your own character in terms of "was it my fault".
These people should be exposed and brought to book.
If you wrote this as a TV drama it would be dismissed as being totally unbelievable.
I'm puzzled how her husband didn't know. They were having valuers traipsing round the property and 2 strange men visiting her each week. Very confusing. also, if they eventually raised finance on the residential home then surely he would be involved in that? I appreciate that we don't have all the details here though.
Anyway, I tend to agree with Graham's view to be honest. How can anyone dress this up as anything but utter stupidity.?Just because someone is 'well educated' it doesnt mean they've learned much. it just means they've been exposed to good education. Jonathan's comments about being streetwise or not are spot on.
Also, we are told the lady is 'professional' - I.m not sure what to make of that. I think I know what is meant - but then again, professional is such a woolly word. We were also told that she's 'intelligent'. Well she isn't intelligent when it comes to spotting when she's blatantly being scammed.
4.5k on staging - ok. Obviously a big mistake too.
And those infuriating evil blocking spirits can be a real nuisance can't they when a house wont sell? Thank goodness for white witches I always say. Obviously this white witch wasn't up to much, and that much maligned practice of pricing competitively had to be resorted to in the end.
Don't you just hate it when that happens?
This lady needs saving from herself it seems. I'm sorry to say that she probably isn't cut out for this potentially, shark-infested business.Even if she manages to secure deals profitably, will she be cute enough to deal with bad tenants? dodgy agents? unscrupulous tradespeople? Based on what we've been told, I wouldn't be overly confident for her. Her overly trusting nature will make her lamb for slaughter sorry to say.
And she still thinks they are nice people!
One positive note to end, the fact she is still up for getting on in property tells us she's determined.
And yes, if all this is true and can be substantiated then why not let us know who these con artists are? That, in itself, will be a very positive force.