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  • Tax

    Council Tax on empty property

    Many thanks for all the interesting posts.  It's easy to have a go at local authorities but, as has been pointed out, if the central government grant has been reduced then the local authorities have to try to find the dosh from somewhere to maintain services.

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    At one time I'd agree when people said some council's had far too much money and it was being squandered. Now these are generally in past and it's gone the opposite way with monies close to not even covering the statutory services- once it gets to that point the council are knackered as they're legally required to provide them, but with what ? I think anyone in the same situation who had an option to raise money, even if it was not the preferred option, has to do so.

    As it goes I'd be happy if council tax replaced a who load of other taxes providing the overall burden wasn't increase, the merging of taxes should significantly reduce the overall costs. The problem is though that many people are unable to comprehend that under that system the council tax would rise but other taxes would reduce/ cease, they never look at the overall picture.

    Craig

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    http://www.LGFA92.co.uk council tax consultants.
    Posting as @CouncilTaxGuy on Twitter
    Why not look at our blog at http://www.lgfa92.co.uk/blog


    Any posts are my own opinion on legislation and may vary from your local authorities !


    Yes it is all clever politicking by Govt.

    Force councils to come up with extra CT

    Which is why CT will increase EVERY year within the allowance that doesn't require a vote.

    I believe that is 3.99%.

    Councils will inevitably remove all free allowances including SPD.

    LL will be very hard hit, but councils know that won't hurt them electorally.

    Nobody cares if LL get hit during vacant periods for whatever reason, apart from of course the LL!!

    But our voice counts for little in the greater scheme of things.

    Obviously the reason Govt is doing this is to highlight the profligate Labour Councils in the hope that the local electorate will vote Tory in the following council elections.

    LL will just need to factor in further losses on council tax for vacant periods for whatever reason.

    LL make ideal cash cows for councils and you can vet that councils will be milking then as much as they can!!!.





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    the govt are very good at passing blame Paul HMO is next on the list the Councils can not afford to miss a great opportunity to make up a shortfall

    its everyone's fault but there own

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    Learn Change and Adapt ?????


    The single person discount won't be going any time soon, it's not (as yet) been made in to a delegated discount.

    The 3.99% at the moment is 4.99% as it includes a 3% premium for the social care plus the maximum 1.99% rise (without a referendum). The problem is that, under the current plans the council could raise a social care charge of 6% is total over a maximum 2 years (or spread it over 3 years if they wished).  Once those 2/3 years are up there is, as yet, nothing in place.

    Craig

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    http://www.LGFA92.co.uk council tax consultants.
    Posting as @CouncilTaxGuy on Twitter
    Why not look at our blog at http://www.lgfa92.co.uk/blog


    Any posts are my own opinion on legislation and may vary from your local authorities !

    Yes it is all clever politicking by Govt.

    Force councils to come up with extra CT

    Which is why CT will increase EVERY year within the allowance that doesn't require a vote.

    I believe that is 3.99%.

    Councils will inevitably remove all free allowances including SPD.

    LL will be very hard hit, but councils know that won't hurt them electorally.

    Nobody cares if LL get hit during vacant periods for whatever reason, apart from of course the LL!!

    But our voice counts for little in the greater scheme of things.

    Obviously the reason Govt is doing this is to highlight the profligate Labour Councils in the hope that the local electorate will vote Tory in the following council elections.

    LL will just need to factor in further losses on council tax for vacant periods for whatever reason.

    LL make ideal cash cows for councils and you can bet that councils will be milking then as much as they can!!!.





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    Yes it is all clever politicking by Govt.

    Force councils to come up with extra CT

    Which is why CT will increase EVERY year within the allowance that doesn't require a vote.

    I believe that is 3.99%.

    Councils will inevitably remove all free allowances including SPD.

    LL will be very hard hit, but councils know that won't hurt them electorally.

    Nobody cares if LL get hit during vacant periods for whatever reason, apart from of course the LL!!

    But our voice counts for little in the greater scheme of things.

    Obviously the reason Govt is doing this is to highlight the profligate Labour Councils in the hope that the local electorate will vote Tory in the following council elections.

    LL will just need to factor in further losses on council tax for vacant periods for whatever reason.

    LL make ideal cash cows for councils and you can bet that councils will be milking them as much as they can!!!.





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    In our SE London borough you have to pay from the day after the tenants move out (they initially tried to argue from and including the day the tenant move out, but I pointed out they still charged the tenant that day so they can't be charging two people twice). No discount either. Years go you would get upto three months for free to allow for void periods etc but no longer. We fortunately tend to turn our properties round very quickly and they are rarely empty for more than ten days, often just a matter of days, the council will still send a bill for two days worth of Council tax, I wonder if it costs them more to raise the paperwork and process the payment etc.

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    In our SE London borough you have to pay from the day after the tenants move out (they initially tried to argue from and including the day the tenant move out, but I pointed out they still charged the tenant that day so they can't be charging two people twice).

    It all depends on what time (as per S2 of the LGFA92) - the council won't be charging twice for the same day as the systems don't allow council tax accounts to overlap (allowing for a system bug that I knew of in one of the two most common systems).

    We fortunately tend to turn our properties round very quickly and they are rarely empty for more than ten days, often just a matter of days, the council will still send a bill for two days worth of Council tax, I wonder if it costs them more to raise the paperwork and process the payment etc

    Legally they have to issue the demand notice, even if it's just for one day.

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    http://www.LGFA92.co.uk council tax consultants.
    Posting as @CouncilTaxGuy on Twitter
    Why not look at our blog at http://www.lgfa92.co.uk/blog


    Any posts are my own opinion on legislation and may vary from your local authorities !


    It always amazes me that there are about 640000 empty properties in the UK.

    It must be costing a fortune in CT seeing as few councils offer long term discounts anymore.

    I wonder whether you would need to rip out bathrooms and kitchens to be CT exempt!?.

    Might be worth doing on a long term empty property!

    CT is increasing every year and is likely to for the foreseeable future..

    As such CT is and will no longer be a minor cost when it comes to vacant periods for whatever reason with rental properties.

    At some stage a Govt will bite the bullet and go for a full revaluation for CT.

    This has the ability to double CT bills.

    You can see how a wholesale revaluation exercise would be a very attractive option for Govt.

    Doubling CT would significantly assist councils especially in regards to meeting the ever increasing demands of delivering social care.

    Electorally it wouldn't bother Labour voters as it would only be the allegedly rich homeowners who would pay!

    A very attractive option when you can get someone else to pay for all your free stuff.

    The Tories would be highly unlikely to have a CT revaluation.

    They lost enough votes after their last social care tax plans.

    So until there is a Labour Govt at which point there WILL be  CT revaluation there will be annual CT increases of 3.99% so avoiding a local vote for the increase.

    All exemptions will be done away with for all but uninhabitable properties.

    No incumbent Govt will risk CT revaluation unless they are a very recently elected Govt.

    Labour has already stated it wants to tax gardens etc..

    So it is clear what the direction of travel will be should Labour ever become the National Govt.

    Let us pray that never occurs.

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