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  • Property-a-holics

    Countdown to Brexit and Property.

    So I take it you will vote LD because they are Remain and you therefore think we should remain even though we had a huge referendum with 35 m people voting in which the result was to Leave . How can you call yourself a democrat and the LDs have the word democrat in their name as it’s so obvious that remaining is not the democratic thing to do. 
          The only way you can get your wish that’s democratic is we first leave then if there is another referendum ( I’ve no problem with that at all as I’m a supporter of democracy ) the choices on the ballot paper should be ‘Join the EU ‘ or ‘Remain out of the EU ‘  
              That’s democracy
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    First and foremost, please save your assumptions; as the old saying goes, it just makes a (blank) out of you.

    Secondly, I voted leave, but not to leave the EU without a deal. They are and will be our closest trading partners for a very long time. Thus whilst I voted to leave to have some sovereignty back, I wanted Brexit to be on a Norway style basis. Not this fanatical no deal nonsense we have now.

    And that in essence was the issue with the referendum; it should have been held after we had an idea of what Brexit looked like. Nearly everyone I know who voted Brexit did so on the understanding that we would leave with a deal, whereby the UK and the EU continued to remain close neighbours. Moreover, I didn’t even consider issues such as Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement.

    Finally, at the end of the day, I don’t care about the EU. All I care about is house price growth (and so am a single issue voter almost). If leaving the EU without a deal would be best for the economy (and thus the housing market), I’d be all for it. But every analysis (and basic logic) dictates staying in the EU is best for the housing market so likewise, I’d prefer for this to happen.


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    I think there will be a Deal last min

    Lets wait an see I am sure there is movement on this  behind the fuss in Parliament

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    Learn Change and Adapt ?????

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    What does the blank mean say what you think .
               Cameron , Osbourne etc told you and me over and over again what voting Leave meant as part of their Project fear campaign ie it meant an end to freedom for 500m EU citizens to come here to work ,it meant leaving the Customs Union with the EU and and end to the European Court of Justice having primacy over our own courts. That’s the 3 clear things that people voted for . 
        What would happen to our economy if we left  ie prosper or falter was a good debate (as nobody really knows the answer ) but one thing is for sure as it’s now proven and that is all the so called economists and experts were totally wrong as they said the economy would collapse the day after we voted Leave and it’s now 3 years on from there .
                   The ballot paper on which you yourself voted Leave didn’t say ‘Leave with a deal ‘ or  ‘Remain’ as the two options yet  your position is to now ignore the referendum result !  As I said before that’s  simply not democracy . 
          I’ll tell you what democracy is and that’s two of my kids telling me they voted Remain but would now vote Leave because they are disgusted with the way democracy has been ignored and also the way the EU has behaved towards a supposed friend and neighbour .
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    Good points well made. 2 of my son's also voted remain and they too are appalled that the result is being ignored by MPs who think they are terribly clever and will come up with any devious excuse.

    I think the whole mess has shown many in a very bad light and basically there are far fewer people who really believe in democracy than i believed and hoped. Imagine if Scotland had voted for independence and we didn't let them go because "the poor fools had been mislead" or Labour won a landslide but they weren't allowed to take power because "the voters didn't really realise what voting for a Marxist Chancellor would mean"

    It is a scandal and the blockers should never be trusted again on anything.

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    I love your analogy of the Westminster Parliament not allowing Scotland to leave the Union if the independence vote had been to leave saying the facts weren’t made clear enough to the Scots and they didn’t know what they were voting for . It would be like Braveheart revisited if that happened .
             I hope you don’t mind but I might use that myself in the future !
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    As I’ve said many times now, I don’t care about the referendum or it’s result.

    Remain could have won but if leaving the EU was best for house price growth, I would support Leave without hesitation. Likewise, I don’t actually care whether we leave the EU or not; all I care about is what is best for the housing market and by every analysis thus far, that is staying in the EU.

    If tomorrow there is a detailed study that shows leaving the EU without a deal would be best for house price growth for example, guess what, I would suddenly support that option wholeheartedly.

    I’m a single issue voter and care about house price growth only, period.
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    But the EU has said many times that they won't discuss the final trading deal until we have paid them a huge divorce bill and signed up to a backstop. I thought it very telling that Hilary Benn said a few days ago that we shouldn't leave until we know what the future trading arrangements will be. That's a shift, maybe an accidental one, in his position because we will never know this until we have left.

    I think above all else we should honour the referendum result.


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    I think the one thing most people can agree on about Breixt is tha Theresa May totally cocked it up. Unfortunately we have to live with the consequences. There seem to be six options

    1. Cancel Brexit, contrary to the referendum and the manifestos of the major parties at the last election. That will ensure the rise of the Brexit party, possibly a Corbyn led coalition after the next election, and possibly a Brexit party led coalition after that. The issue will not just go away,
    2. Agree to May's deal, become a vassal of the EU, and enter the subsequent negotiations with no leverage whatsoever.
    3. No-deal Brexit - likely temporary economic issues but the freedom to address them long term.
    4. Have another referendum, which the Lib Dems hasve said they will ignore if it goes against them again. Either it confimrs that people want Brexit now, or it leads to the rise of the Brexit party probably after a Corbyn government.
    5. Keep on kicking the can down the road whilst the uncertainty damages our economy more than a no-deal Breixt would.
    6. The EU agrees to a fair deal - very unlikely to happen whilst they think we won't go for no-deal

    Unless you want a Corbyn government then No deal looks the best option.


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    Well, it is a hard choice but a no deal is still a better option than Corbyn for me at least!

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