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  • Property-a-holics

    Had my Singing Pig account suspended ....

    LisaOrme said:
    Hi Marcus, I must comment as its me you referred to.
    Apologies for the confusing Lisa but when I commented on a 'justifiably respected poster' I was refering to Rialto's use of the BMV forum as a means to advertise his leaflet. In no shape or form was I referring to you. Trying not to be sychophantic, I have just read 'all' of your posts on Singing Pig (2002 onwards) and put you right at the top of my 'invisible mentors' table.
    In the first link I was refering to the Mark Camden Clarke quote;
    I don't mean to promote our company, but we do alot of BMV financing on a legal basis, if you click on the following link, this will give you more info:
    Mark reactivated this thread, I believe, just to advertise his wares. I found that unacceptable.
    Best wishes.
    PS: One good thing to come out of this confusion, you joining Property Tribes! (Punning Clan me thinks!)
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    Hi Vanessa - Nice to find this site, I was intrigued to see you were not in favour on the SP site (shows that I don't follow everything that goes on - only found the relevant post today), but if the issue is self promotion I can always remember a pm I sent you in August 2008:
    .......Secondly, it might be worth attaching a link to your website from your SP signature as it should result in more people heading across to your site as a lot can't be bothered to copy and paste it into their browsers.....
    You didn't push your business as much as you could even then!
    All the best for the future.
    Dave Winter
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    I agree with the comment - "it's the old way". It's odd the way some folks are all for the new age of contribution currency until they feel like your are taking the mic (not mick).
    Oh well - it may be someone, somewhere hasn't liked something in the threads and complained. Of course - the more ballsy thing to do would be to openly challenge it in full public view if that was indeed the case.
    For now - I guess singing pig will be one light in the chorus.
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    Thank you for clarifying Marcus - sorry for misinterpreting your comments.
    Yes, there are lots of examples like you gave. I always remember Beware the Sharks who came onto SP like a shning beacon a few years back; not promoting anything, lots of useful info and respectful comment but subtly including many comments slagging off other investment schemes and courses Then almost overnight he launched all his schemes, courses and investments and just blitzed the board - it was like people had this warm fuzzy feeling about him so he was allowed to do it for ages until he got bored or stopped attracting new business then disappeared just as quickly!
    Forums will attract this naturally but its how its handled that I think is David's error of judgement.
    Finally, thanks for your comments about me/my posts but I really do feel you need to get out more ;-)
    Lisa
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    Lisa All comments are for education and information purposes only and do not construe as advice or a financial promotion. No liability is accepted for comments made. If you wish to receive information in an advisory capacity then please contact me about becoming a client. www.keys-mortgages.com

    Thanks for all your support Lisa (re the post answering DB) it is clear to me that David is still in denial and we are still non the wiser. I think if he wanted to be honest, being part of the "BMV" mafia he feels threatened (not that he needed to be but people are strange) by Vanessas stance. I don't suppose we will ever know the real reason.
    Anyway I'm off to do an infomercial to sell ... Oh I have nothing to sell, how about that!! LOL
    Thank you for being supportive.
    Nick
    LisaOrme said:
    Thank you for clarifying Marcus - sorry for misinterpreting your comments. Yes, there are lots of examples like you gave. I always remember Beware the Sharks who came onto SP like a shning beacon a few years back; not promoting anything, lots of useful info and respectful comment but subtly including many comments slagging off other investment schemes and courses Then almost overnight he launched all his schemes, courses and investments and just blitzed the board - it was like people had this warm fuzzy feeling about him so he was allowed to do it for ages until he got bored or stopped attracting new business then disappeared just as quickly!
    Forums will attract this naturally but its how its handled that I think is David's error of judgement.
    Finally, thanks for your comments about me/my posts but I really do feel you need to get out more ;-)
    Lisa
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    nick tadd said:
    Thanks for all your support Lisa (re the post answering DB) it is clear to me that David is still in denial and we are still non the wiser. I think if he wanted to be honest, being part of the "BMV" mafia he feels threatened (not that he needed to be but people are strange) by Vanessas stance. I don't suppose we will ever know the real reason.Anyway I'm off to do an infomercial to sell ... Oh I have nothing to sell, how about that!! LOLThank you for being supportive.NickLisaOrme said:
    Thank you for clarifying Marcus - sorry for misinterpreting your comments.Yes, there are lots of examples like you gave. I always remember Beware the Sharks who came onto SP like a shning beacon a few years back; not promoting anything, lots of useful info and respectful comment but subtly including many comments slagging off other investment schemes and courses Then almost overnight he launched all his schemes, courses and investments and just blitzed the board - it was like people had this warm fuzzy feeling about him so he was allowed to do it for ages until he got bored or stopped attracting new business then disappeared just as quickly! Forums will attract this naturally but its how its handled that I think is David's error of judgement.Finally, thanks for your comments about me/my posts but I really do feel you need to get out more ;-)Lisa
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    You won't believe this, but I am being regularly hit with emails from David Beard trying to recruit me into his blasted BMV malarky. The sheer nerve of that fella !
    He is now on my "Block Sender" list !
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    Yes - I am now banned too.
    If they keep topping people out like this - we'll have to rename the site 'Singing Canary'.
    If you can't answer a straight question without banning people - well, that tells you everything.
    Onwards and Upwards
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    "Free the SInging Pig 3"!
    It has a certain ring to it, don't ya think? I am thinking of having some t-shirts made up - pink with large grey writing in the style of the 80's t-shirts that said "Relax" in huge letters.
    Let me know if you want one.
    (The pink might not work for the guys on here .... ). Smile
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    I find it interesting to note that the thread about me and Trevor being banned is still raging on Singing Pig. 119 replies and counting ... David Beard has done me such a big favour. It's social media in all its glory! A measure of your success is how many people talk about you when you are not there. Thanks David!
    Get people talking about you ... a sure-fire way to on-line success!
    Word of mouth marketing is so important there is even an association for it. You certainly want people talking about you and your business - but only if it is positive. Yet many online businesses struggle with getting people to mention them in the first place. If you don't get people talking about your internet business, you are going to find it very difficult to survive.
    Get people talking about your business. Oscar Wilde said: "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." However, Benjamin Disraeli piped up with: "The more you are talked about the less powerful you are." These seemingly disparate quotations show us the real problem businesses have with being talked about.
    If no-one mentions you when they chat with others - or Tweet or blog - then you may as well be invisible. However, if all they say is that your products and services are garbage - then perhaps you would have preferred to be invisible in the first place..! Oscar Wilde was right - you need people to talk about you. But Disraeli was also right - if they start saying negative things, you lose your power and position.
    So, what can you do to ensure that your online business or your web site gets more people blogging about it, Tweeting about it and mentioning it down the pub? Research actually tells us you should concentrate on the negative side. Rather than trying to increase the positive chatter about your business, you will actually improve your situation more by decreasing the negative talk.
    This was shown by research from the London School of Economics a few years ago. In a study of the impact of word of mouth on big businesses they were able to show that, on average, increasing the positive word of mouth chatter about a company by just 1% led to an increase in turnover of around £8m. But, by reducing the negative word of mouth by 1%, there was an average increase in turnover of £24m. In other words, you get a three-fold better deal if you focus on reducing the negatives, rather than trying to increase the positives.
    Of course that doesn't mean you should avoid also trying to increase positive word of mouth conversations about your business - the study did show that positive chat about a company had several benefits. It's worthwhile having people saying nice things about you and your web site.
    So, what works best to both increase those positive mentions of your company - and to reduce the negatives? Several studies have shown a consistent finding - people say good things about your business if they feel part of it. Loyalty cards, reward schemes, memberships - they all make people feel as though they belong to your business. A recent study in the grocery sector found that reward programmes were the most important factor in generating positive word of mouth.
    Luckily, online there are several ways you can make people feel part of your business - membership sites being one example, being able to contribute to your site is another. But step one in helping word of mouth boost your business should be to work out how you can make people feel more involved with your company. Whether you produce a loyalty card or a membership system doesn't matter that much - what's important is that you reduce the distance between you and your customers.
    However, as the LSE study showed, you also need to reduce the negative chatter about your business. So how can you do that? Well, you need to know it's going in; you need to find it. Again, this is another benefit of the internet. How often do you monitor what other people are saying about your business in blogs, on Twitter? Do you use "Google Alerts" to monitor what people are writing about you online? Are you using Tweetbeep for finding Tweets about you on Twitter? There really is no excuse any more for not being able to monitor the web and the "blogosphere" to find out the chatter about your business. And once you have discovered what is being said, it gives you the opportunity to reduce the negatives.
    Several pieces of research over the years have shown that when people say negative things about a business their attitude is changed if that company merely notices and tries to help. Reducing negative word of mouth is easy - just find it and take notice by actively engaging with the people who are upset with you.
    Substantial business growth is possible if you have just a small decrease in negative word of mouth coupled with a tiny increase in positive mentions of your company. In an economic downturn this has to be the easiest and cheapest way you can increase your business.
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