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  • Property Prices

    What capital growth % are you working to?

    Well I don’t remortgage now to capital raise JC

    and I haven’t done so since 2007

    with S24 it’s folly

    I have enough cash flow to buy properties with  a good cash deposit

    so for me capital in a property is only a fig  which I can’t touch

    buy a good yeilding property with a good deposit then save another deposit and move on



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    Learn Change and Adapt ?????

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    Morning DL

    I am aware you dont personally release equity but that is only half the picture you present

    I think a slight linguistic adjustment by you maybe will  resolve the meaning for others benefit

    Given your success and standing in this forum some will take your words as gospel

    So its important not to give the impression that CG only matters when you sell

    To an investor who doesnt just focus like you on yield and non growth areas that is misleading

    It would be depressing if they thought that they could not release equity as it  may  curb their ambitions

    If they are stuck with 100K of equity then they might want to release say 25K to buy another

    So maybe precis some of your  comments with `I` not `you` .

     For the likes of you and I,  yes I agree to remortgage with S24 as it stands may be folly

    But for 100`s it wont be as their circumstances and structures are entirely different

    The gov has one hand round our throat to dampen us down

    If you hold an additional  hand to an investors throat also  by suggesting you have to sell  to access CG you may be accused figuratively speaking of assault as well

    And I know you wouldn't want to be viewed that way and stifle their ambition

    So the statement you said

    `capital growth is worth nothing until you have the gain in the bank when you have sold``

    is not true for many and you may want to clarify/ amend  it  - unless you stand by it ?

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    Jonathan Clarke. http://www.buytoletmk.com


    I really understand where your comming from JC

    so I do agree that extracting profits via a re Mortgag will work if you reinvest

    the printable has worked well for 25 years

    the problem is taxation and maybe PRA lending rules

    if someone is starting from scratch and they wish to build quick it will work

    but it’s limited due to taxation or regulation

    the only way to do it is via a company but as I have outlined its will be less tax efficient and more tax will be paid when the investor takes profit

    I used re mortgage for years but we are in a different world now

    leverage works two ways I believe low levarge and high yields are safe and much more tax efficient

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    Yes its more difficult I agree but the door is not closed,  just 50% tougher maybe

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    Jonathan Clarke. http://www.buytoletmk.com

    It’s a case by case issue like all bussinss JC

    it made us all a lot of money in the past

    as I have said cash is king but not borrowed  cash in 2019

    but if you have the cash BTL can be very good

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    Yes

    Cash is King

    Borrowed cash is Queen

    Then there is the rest of the pack 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10/Jack who don`t take action

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    PS for the purpose of this analogy ace is low or else it messes up my point :-)


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    Jonathan Clarke. http://www.buytoletmk.com

    Thats all very well , but when calculating equity in property no one i’ve spoken to takes into account the tax and costs in realising the true value. It’s another area where bank lending was to my mind lax, when borrowers fell into difficulties finding that even by selling they still could’nt clear debt and so repossession became an easier option, this helped to depress the market further at the time.

    I freely admit i’m very cautious and risk adverse, but feel that many do not put a realistic value on their assets. The other favourite is valuing their property with the higher prices achieved on land registry with no knowledge as to what condition/standard property is compared to their own.

    There’s optimism, pessimism and reality or you can have your truth,my truth the truth.

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    Yes I agree there will always be the over optimistic and also the eternal pessimists and a whole range in between.

    They sit alongside each other in a room and you never know until they speak what their mindset is made up like

    Some investors I meet have had to  have their idealism and their realism drastically realigned

    You have to bring them down gently sometimes as they are buzzing

    I myself still think on the rare occasions  when Harry Kane misses a goal that I probably could have squeezed it in

    So some  want to release 75K maybe when only 25K is possible so they can buy only 1 more now , not 3 maybe

    Others need a jump start to even consider borrowing  that 25K which is staring them in the face

    25 years later some own 2 BTL`s  some own 20 some 200

    They may have all started out in the same financial position though. The rules were exactly the same

    Its their mindset  that differentiates them   - not PRA , or tax or any of the other annoying hurdles

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    Jonathan Clarke. http://www.buytoletmk.com


    Thats very true, I would also add another great differentiator, the attitiude and behaviour of those that chose to expand and borrow aggressively IF/WHEN  it all goes wrong, there are those that actively atempt to retain all they can by knocking any one they owe money to , on the one hand , on the other you have those that go round to visit those they owe money to explain whats happened and promise to pay it back but that it’ll take time.

    It’s noticeable that those that invest from out of the area that generally fall into the former and local hands on investors that make up the latter more often, again not hard and fast rules by any means.

    A moral compass is surely another factor to be considered when looking at a room full of investors, along with their appetite for risk and levels of optimism.

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