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  • Landlords in Distress

    Frustrated | Tenant Life Choices



    Frustrated | Paying Price for tenants Lifestyle and poor understanding.

    Any advice or help appreciated.

    Partner and I feeling frustrated with tenant in 2 bedroom terrace on same AST for 3 years. We have had numerous problems but the latest might be the tipping point.

    Late January received email complaining of mould in property.

    Action to date. 2 builders have confirmed this is a condensation problem due to not ventilating and having sofa backed up against wall under window.

    Condensation water vapour sources:

    Drying clothes on stand near rads.

    Metre high potted Plants

    An oversized tropical fish tank.

    Not opening windows

    No circulation of air.

    Options:

    1) install 2 vent bricks - £200 cost

    Tenant verbally objected to them on grounds of heat loss. Which suggests will cover them or not allow access for install

    2) Homedry loft install - £650 cost

    3)  Advise tenant they are the cause of condensation and ask tenant to purchase own dehumidifier.

    4) Fed up - give section 21 notice and market property for sale. Vacant possession.

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    Wisdom - an integration of knowledge, experience, and deep understanding that incorporates tolerance for the uncertainties of life as well as its ups and downs. 

    Could you elaborate on Option 2, would this solve things even if tenant doesn't change their behaviours?

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    apparently it is a continuous running fan , near silent,

    The DPC company suggested this best option, running costs little as 1p a day according sales literature.

    but my simple science mind thinks, how is this really going work in practice?

    a door exists between landing stairs and front room. still an element of tenant compliance.

    Im not sure how bringing air into how effective this will be at loft temperature extremes

     bringing cold humid air into house from loft space in winter. adding further moisture.

    4.59%

    In summer this would bring hot air from loft space into house.

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    Wisdom - an integration of knowledge, experience, and deep understanding that incorporates tolerance for the uncertainties of life as well as its ups and downs. 

    As I said below:
    loft unit running 24/7
    + extractors running 24/7
    + gap under doors to allow air-flow as they won't be opening the windows.

    The loft units run between 10 degrees and 25 degrees or thereabouts. It switches off when too hot, or (depending on model) switches on a heater to warm the air if too cold.

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     #2 or equivalent unit.

    Its the only way.

    I've just put down the deposit on one similar.

    Sometimes its not just tenant lifestyle but certain areas of the house hold onto humidity more than others.

    An Envirovent type cyclone unit in the bathroom as well (runs 24/7) as the kitchen will help move out that humid air from its source.


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    We have a similar problem with a tenant - we purchased a second hand dehumidifier and loaned it to the tenant as it turned out that she was drying three loads a day on radiators!

    Before she moved in she confirmed that she had a condenser dryer which then she gave to her parents, we asked if she could get it back but now it's conveniently broken. 

    We explained how condensation works and I believe there is a booklet on this site as well that you can print off and hand to your tenant.  Turns out that our tenant doesn't believe us about drying clothes on radiators despite giving her an additional five articles off the internet stating that one load of washing gives approximately 3.5 pints of water into the air.

    Sadly, some tenants don't believe a word you say despite giving them proof - their insistence of drying clothes on radiators can and will cause problems if they also refuse to open windows to provide ventilation.

    We are due to do an inspection to see if there's evidence that she's not using the dehumidifier, we are seriously considering serving a S21 as soon as legally possible though.

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    the booklet link was not found. so I'm searching for source to give to tenant.

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    Wisdom - an integration of knowledge, experience, and deep understanding that incorporates tolerance for the uncertainties of life as well as its ups and downs. 

    Guys, seriously, you're wasting your time printing out, putting up on notice board etc. etc. info about humidity/condensation. People don't like being informed they might be wrong about something and basically we're stating that their lifestyle needs to change. It won't happen, so you have to look at the option which means they don't have to change any of their ways ie.

    loft unit running 24/7
    + extractors running 24/7
    + gap under doors to allow air-flow as they won't be opening the windows.

    Sorry to have to say this but after 10 years of doing this battle, the above really is the only way. Anything that involves the tenant doing something extra eg. dehumidifier is lieing to yourself.

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    You're right Adam_ the problem really is that tenants won't listen/believe nor run a dehumidifier as it costs them on electric.

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    You have to take the decision away from them, as they are not capable of dealing with, or interested in what will probably happen next - black mould.

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