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  • LHA/Universal Credit

    2-week run on of HB payment

    I wasn't aware that this payment was mandatory until recently. A tenant was erroneously told to apply for UC and HB was stopped 10th Dec 2018, when the tenant applied for UC

    I'm pretty certain that the council did not pay the 2-week run on amount

    Is it possible for me to backtrack and ask the council to make this payment or too late?

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    Hi Raj

    The 2 week run-on was introduced in April 2018 and is intended to ease the 5 week+ wait before UC is first paid. It should be automatic and prompted by DWP’s STOP notice to the Local Authority which, at the point of the tenant’s transition is claiming Housing Benefit (LHA). 

    Payment should also be made automatically to the a landlord where LHA was being paid to them beforehand. Whereas, if payment was being made to the tenant the 2 week run-on will be paid to them instead.

    So, assuming your tenant was receiving LHA, paid direct to you, at the point of transition, the LA should examine its records and if this was overlooked, remedy its mistake.

    On a more general note, landlords should be alert to this issue, as only the other day, one of my London based clients discovered, one of the LBs it dealt with had no knowledge of the 2 week run-on; initially rejected the notion payment could be extended in this way and only through my client’s persistence Backed by an email from me to to its Chief Executive was the matter concluded satisfactorily.

    Bill
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    Thanks Bill. I accept that LL should be more aware but UC has so many moving parts that's its hard to keep upto date


    I was getting the HB direct but cannot locate any 2-week run on payment. I will get the LA to check it's records

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    Raj

    If I can assist you further give me a call or email me.

    Bill
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    Hi Tribesters

    Prompted by our exchanges in the past couple of days, I've created my latest website bulletin which ordinarily the problem we've identified would only be available but I've left this public as I believe the problem we've stumbled over may well be bigger than first thought. If you or a colleague reading this realise you may well have lost out, make direct contact with your council as that should be enough to have the oversight remedied. If you encounter problems get in touch and I'll provide further advice.

    Bill Irvine

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    I had to teach the Nottingham Housing Benefit HB about the two week run on with help from Bill Irvine of https://universalcreditadvice.com/ & him sending me the clear DWP Guidance links that DWP Job Centre & HB din't even know about it. This was only in Jan Feb this year. They now do it automatically, but it was a battle.
    Here is Bills site on the link: https://universalcreditadvice.com/bullet...ek-run-on/

    And don't let them kid u, u ARE NOT getting a free two week run on that the tenant can keep. As the UC managers were saying You have to give that the tenant back Mick.
    I had to teach some UC managers that all we are getting is the actual missing payments, as we/the tenants have to wait  ONE MONTH + ONE WEEK, over 5 weeks gap between last HB payment. We don't get anything extra.

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    Thanks Mick. Bill also wrote about this on his website blog. One of my tenants moved to UC in Dec 2018. I’ve checked my account and no run on payment was made so I will request it. 

    Another tenant moved recently. The council said nothing. I knew about the run on payment so 2 days after I received a termination notice, I called them and they said they were about to action it. Sure they were!!

    The biggest problem is a systematic failure to  communicate (councils and DWP). It’s almost like they assume there’s enough DSS housing and the PRS (and landlords) is part of the problem not the solution. Landlords will leave the sector so DWP should be careful what it wishes for 

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    ``The biggest problem is a systematic failure to  communicate (councils and DWP).``

    This is very true . And their internal communication with each other is woeful too . Ive just finished a volley of exchanges between two council operatives who work within sight of each other. One deals with Sec 21`s and the other deals with DHP . They haven`t a clue what each other does it seems and one admitted that to resolve an issue, it is quicker if i e mail their colleague to answer a query than for them to shout across the desk . No joined up thinking whatsoever .

    I have some sympathy for them though .

    They have 1500 sec 21`s on their desk I hear with 12 being added every day .

    Imagine coming into work and all you got to look forward to is working through that Sec 21 list

    Because each call to a LL to try to negotiate them to stay  is just going to be pure 100% grief for them

    Mine pays the 2 week pay run on but it doesnt touch the sides really

    Another  one which has just converted to UC from direct LHA to me but has not paid me a penny.

    Fine for 5 years and now 3 mths behind. The temptation to not pass it on is far too great for many 

    History tells us that it is no surprise so why did they even attempt it

    So that will now  be 1501 sec 21`s on their desk tomorrow morning  . Its of the govs own making

    The Gov continues to shoot  themselves in the foot  with their abysmal transitional arrangement structure 


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    Jonathan Clarke. http://www.buytoletmk.com