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    Flips - JV with the right partner

    Hi All.

    Been a member for a year or so and this website / forum has become my defacto for anything and everything property related - well done to the founders and certainly to the members for work and effort that goes into maintaining such levels of useful info and dialogue.

    We have a portfolio of properties in London that are rented - standard BTL and HMO. What we are now interested in are flips.

    Our current thinking is to Finance the purchase of properties for <150K in hotspots in the UK, adding value and flipping for a Gross Profit of min 30K ish - Build to 3-4 a year within 2-3 years - wanting to partner with someone who can source, refurb & sell - we can manage the finance, legals cost and split the profits in a fair way.

    Would appreciate speaking to someone experienced with flips.

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    Hi Mate. We can certainly have a chat.. I am working on few projects right now.

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    Hi Prab, would be interested to have a talk. Do you have a contact?

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    Good luck. I've been looking under that exact criteria for the last two years and can find nothing that stacks up. I'm only looking on South Coast so I can use trades people I know but there's nothing here. Refurbs are virtually same prices as finished article

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    i'd be interested in having a chat with you to compare notes....

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    The only thing I would say with regards to your idea, which fundamentally is not a bad one in the current climate. However you need to factor that you won't be able to complete on a sale for 6 months. The reason for this is a lender (ie the lender of your prospective buyer) will not lend on any property that has been owned for less than 6 months.

    It is best the purchasers do not even approach a lender until this time has elapsed.

    Don't forget to factor this into your schedule. ;-)

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    Landlord with 25 years’ experience in the property market and a specialist in tenant referencing, ID and credit screening. Creator of identity, credit and anti-money laundering system ValidID.co.uk


    Interesting. So If the buyer needs to raise finance (which is most likely) then I (seller) will have to keep hold of the property for 6 months minimum - out of interest whats the rationale behind this?

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    Yes that's correct and as you will have no idea what type of buyer will walk through your door you cannot take the chance that a lender won't be involved.

    It all started a number years ago. People where buying houses below market value doing very basic refurbs and selling them within a month or so at vastly inflated prices. In a lot of cases the properties were being flipped to connected parties so it was just a way to re-gear for higher borrowing. Lenders saw this as a clear erosion of their risk and a manipulation of the true value of the property. Putting a 6 month limit dissuaded this and reduced the exposure for the lenders.

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    Landlord with 25 years’ experience in the property market and a specialist in tenant referencing, ID and credit screening. Creator of identity, credit and anti-money laundering system ValidID.co.uk


    This is incorrect.  You simply inform your buyer which lenders are happy to lend on a property owned for less than 6 months.

    Every time I find a buyer for a property I have my broker check which lenders currently fit this criteria for the sale price.  We then let the buyer know that they need to use those lenders only.  The property stays on the market until one of those lenders has been chosen, the valuation is completed and the mortgage offer is in place.

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    Not entirely sure what part of what I said was incorrect.

    You may very well be able to find a lender who will lend. But the fact that not every lender will lend will reduce the ability to sell the property for the maximum potential value.

    Buyers want the free will to choose their lender, for various reasons one of which may be rate. Reducing that lending pool reduces the buyers choice and as such will compromise their lending opportunities. That will inevitably put off some buyers which in turn will reduce the competition for the property and less competition translates into potentially lower sales price, (rules of supply and demand).

    When you are selling a property you should always aim to appeal to the maximum number of buyers possible, only then will you truly maximise its potential.

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    Landlord with 25 years’ experience in the property market and a specialist in tenant referencing, ID and credit screening. Creator of identity, credit and anti-money laundering system ValidID.co.uk