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  • Property-a-holics

    How much should I pay for a new boiler?

    I pay £500 to put a boiler in if I supply - only use Valliant or Worcester and boiler can be from £700 upwards dependant on size

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    Hi, my property is one bed.  I don't think it will be large.

    That's why I cannot accept the original price for £2,300.   How much for Valiant?

    Besides, can you PM me so that we can further discuss?  Thanks in advance.

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    A cheap boiler is a false economy - the 'economy' of which could be undone in just one extra callout.

    If you have a portfolio then consider attempting to standardise on one brand. You will hopefully choose a good one, and if you don't then at least you'll have a better feel for the underlying cause of any reported fault, and possibly a stock of spare pumps / diaphragms / fans to hand you can put directly into the hand of an engineer when you do need a repair.
    (the latter only being a benefit if you're local to your properties)

    Worcester Bosch have been good - but I'm going off them, lack of standardisation of parts across the range, too many plastic bits - poor level of diagnostic information accessible from the front panel. (I have a couple of smaller newish WB (which I'm not a fan of) and a mid 90's one (which has been super reliable) )
    Vaillant EcoTec Pro / Plus (basically the same boiler, apart from HW heat exchanger) - solid reliable ON SYSTEMS WITH CLEAN WATER - really don't like dirty water, makes the sensors grumpy and sick. good front panel diagnostics.
    (I have a fair few of these and have decided to standardise on them)
    (I would not touch a model with aluminium heat exchanger)

    Both of the above, the evil manufactures use their own proprietary protocols to talk to the boiler, so unless you just want a 'dumb' thermostat that just turns the boiler on/off you're locked into their more advanced and very expensive controllers that can vary the boiler temperature with demand.

    Some manufacturers use a (relatively) new standard called 'opentherm' for thermostats to talk to the boiler - while these are equally expensive at the moment (e.g. nest version 3)  in the future you would hope that this will drive down the cost of smart controls (which could also provide remote diagnostic capability reducing the number & cost of callouts)

    https://nest.com/uk/support/article/What...do-with-it
    https://www.myboiler.com/opentherm-capable-boilers/

    Some people have started to say good things about some baxi models - I've got one which has been something of a pain but seems to have finally got over itself. (mid 90's vintage)

    - at least some new baxi models now support opentherm.

    Also have a Viesmann 050, which is great in that you only need to add a 10k thermistor to provide weather compensation - (obvs they want to fleece you for £50 for the same 10p component in a box) - good build quality but no preheat on combi hot water - next model up is too expensive for me, can get a Vaillant for the same / better price.

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    DISCLAIMER just my personal opinion - for legal advice consult a qualified professional grown-up.

    Thank you for your detail explanation.  I think Worcester is really good.

    I have already contacted an installer to go to my property and quote the price.

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    Another vote here for Vaillant or Worcester.  I have had numerous Vaillants installed over the last few years and found them to be a game changer.  I once had a Halstead in one of my properties that caused so many problems over a few years that I was on the verge of selling the house in dispair.  In the end I had it put in the dustbin at 6 years old and had a Vaillant put in.  The phone calls at seemingly every family occasion then suddenly stopped.    Coinicidentally I actually had a Vaillant go wrong last week which I have to say is very rare.  It was 5 and a half years old, but had a 7 year guarantee and in a fuss free way Vaillant came out the next day and repaired it.

    I usually pay around £1400-£1500 for a decent Vaillant with the 7 year guarantee suitable for 3 or 4 bed house, with a powerflush and a Magnaclean included. My properties are London based but the installers aren't. I have used people from ebay, and have always checked out with Vaillant directly that they really are approved installers before going ahead to make sure my guarantee is gold plated.

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    On the flip side I have 2 1980s Ideal Mexico floor standing boilers at my own house that run in parallel and they never seem to go wrong.  Basically giant gas pipes with a volume knob and a flame

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    Ideal logic, 7 year guarantee. Change from £1000, fitting tops £450, New gas main around £200 depending on length, four new radiators £300. magna clean £80. Total £2030. Its all in the detail, you need to know from your agent what you are getting. These are Manchester prices. This could be reduced by £400 putting in a cheaper boiler in but i wouldn't recommend that.

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    [Image: New-logo2.png] Manchester based investor. I buy, sell, renovate and rent investment property in East/North Manchester Wink email: mike@brentwoodinvestments.co.uk Call: 0161 681 3724

    Thank you for your illustration.  It makes everything clear.

    However, I don't understand that the price difference between gas boiler ( £2300) to electric heater ( £500 ).  It is huge!

    For gas boiler, it need radiators.  What about electric heater??  I am confused.

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    Also check whether Letting Agent is charging a "mark up" on the contractor's charge.

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