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  • Refurbish/Develop

    Internal fire door (hang)

    Good afternoon lovely people, grateful to receive some information regarding changing a normal internal door with a fire door -- estimate of cost.  Labour and material inclusive.  I have been told the old lock can be used.  So carpenter will supply and fit and it is London location.

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    You need a lock with a thumb turn on the inside - I doubt your current locks will suffice.

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    If its liable for inspection by your local authority , you need to make sure its done totally as per recomendations. This may mean a new certified lining, will certainly need some sort of photographic evidence of , filling of any gaps between lining and structure with appropriate materials, use of intumescent pads under locks and hinges, certified hinges and closer. Keep hold of the door fitting instructions and make sure you’ve followed those.

    Even fixing the door number can be open to debate, adhesive only seems the favoured option. Fire doors are very likely to be under scrutiny once the grenfell reports and recomendations are completed.

    my local authority is quoting a cost of £1300 to replace a flat entrance door in its blocks to leaseholders. And if like mine its on a lease that takes the proportion of works value from the rateable value and your flat has a higher value than the average in the block you’ll be paying more. I’ve a 2 bed flat in a block of 3x1 and 3x2 beds , so i’m liable for approx 20% of costs. Cupboard doors in common areas being treated in same way, so gets expensive very fast.

    Basically do your research first and make sure the fitter knows what they’re doing.

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    We charge £400 to supply and fit a new 6 panel 30 minute fire door and casing with suitable furniture and fittings. This includes rip out of old casing, limited making good of plasterwork and skirts. That is Merseyside price, not London. Hope this helps.

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    Andrew McCausland

    Hamilton Square Estates Ltd

    Wirral Property Group Ltd

    Sourcing and renovating investment property since 1994

    Wow that is very cheap!

    I'm based in London and you would be looking at anyway from £200-£600 just for fitting (not including the cost of the door), depending on how 'compliant' the installation is.

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    Are you doing this as a "nicety" to keep your tenants safe, or to be compliant?  If it's to be compliant, I think you'll need to have the doors certified so not any-old builder can do it (though perhaps keeping all the documentary evidence as suggested above may suffice).  As Philip says, there's a lot involved in installing a certified fire door.

    If, however, you're doing it for your own peace of mind you can replace the door jamb with one that's twice as thick/deep.  Use a FD30 with fire door hinges and door furniture.  I had two firefighters on our refurb and basically, the double thickness jamb will retard the smoke from getting around the door, and fire hinges means the door will stay in situ for the 30 mins.  One of the firefighters explained that they aim to get to a "shout" in 8 minutes.  If it takes longer than 30 mins to rescue a person they'll already have succumbed to smoke.

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    Another thing worth considering , is that with the much larger door stops , the access is reduced a couple of inches, if its a whole new door and lining going in its well worth going for as wide a door as you can get in. Makes getting furniture in and out much easier and might prevent the door being taken off by tenant/remover.

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