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  • Landlords in Distress

    Issues with builder

    My builder gave me a quote for a job (via email), he informed me that £x was for materials and £x for labour.

    He and his team have now done the job. Whilst I have no problem with the cost of labour, which we agreed, there is no way he spent the said amount on materials.

    I have asked him for proof (invoices) for what he spent on materials or refund me the excess materials money. He is refusing to do so, he is now saying that he spent that money on paying his guys.

    He is now sending me angry emails now I have threatened to report him, he also said 'how I allocate money is up to me'. Surely not. 

    Surely he can't tell me a certain that a certain amount of money is for materials, then, when he blatantly didn't spend that amount, say he paid it to his workers. What do you think?

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    I think that you added the two prices together and were happy with that total so what is your problem with it now.

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    You think that I added the two prices together and were happy with it? Incorrect. 

    I was told by the builder that he needed to buy steel to support a ceiling. He did not get a steel, he didn't need one.  

    He ripped me off on another job recently and he had to refund me. My post is about a job from summer 2018, because he ripped me off recently I am now looking at the other jobs he has done for me.

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    Quote "I was told by the builder that he needed to buy steel to support a ceiling"

    Normally the "Builder" doesn't decide if a steel is needed. Its normally a structural engineer, who you should have instructed if there was any doubt at all.

    If i was you i would be more concerned that he thought a steel should be used and wasn't! I would be arranging for a structural engineer to get it checked. Was building control involved?

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    Surely it comes down two two things.

    1) did he fix a price or provide an estimate?

    2) was it one quote for everything or separable elements.

    It is not unusual for builders (and others) to split out how they arrive at a price and often they rob Peter to pay Paul so that people accept the quote. I suspect you will have to live with this unless the answers to the questions above give you right to discuss.

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    Tax advisor and mortgage broker

    stuart@johnsonsca.com

    02039077022

    1) did he fix a price or provide an estimate?
    It was a fixed price. 

    2) was it one quote for everything or separable elements.
    It was all separate elements. 

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    Whatever work the builder has done (you don't say you are unhappy with it at all...) threatening (your word..) to report him is pretty much guaranteed to ensure he won't help if you ever need him back to fix something which might go wrong.


    Report him to whom? Trading standards, HMRC, council??


    My approach to tradesmen is always pay promptly when requested (unless there's a real serious problem..): Then re-use that tradesman/the-work if happy, if not don't.  You got a quote, if price is about that, pay up! 


    This wasn't a "for cash it'll be a little cheaper" one was it?

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    "Report him to whom? Trading standards, HMRC, council??"
    -Trading standards
    -Federation of master builders
    -Fairtrades
    -Trustmark
    -Also post reviews online.

    BUILDER: 'As I have said in writing, the materials will cost £3000, please transfer me the money'
    ME: 'Okay no problem'
    BUILDER: 'Thanks for the £3000 but I didn't buy any materials, I didn't need them in the end, I will just keep the money, thanks'
    ME: 'You can't do that'
    BUILDER: 'Yes, I can, you agreed that materials would cost £3000'
    ME: 'What?!'

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    So why should he provide you with receipts. It was a fixed price. He already admitted he got the labour cost wrong and spend the materials profit on extra labour. I think you should pay it immediately and move on..

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    Tax advisor and mortgage broker

    stuart@johnsonsca.com

    02039077022

    Just spoke to a solicitor, they said that the builder has defrauded me, which is a criminal offence. I will pursue. 

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    Solicitors for the price of s piece of steel... it will end up costing you a lot more than that... pay up and let it go, don't use the builder again... end of saga

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