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  • Buy-to-Let

    Landlords' public image - spivs and rogues



    The hard truth Boys and Girls - we are seen a Spivs and Rouges

    By the public, certainly Generation Rent - and the Govt Listens to them more than us

    Our service in reality is as welcome as a Rat Catcher But we are needed for now

    We operate in a market similar to the Spiv of the second world war

    We buy a product which is in short supply and sell it on for a profit either in rent or a Sale

    Very few Landlords add to the Housing stock a few will do conversions of a Pub or a old Library into a block of flats most don't

    Our world is seen a one of greed and sometimes exploitation Beds in shed HMO converted from family homes which is seen by the public as a modem Doss House Sharing a Kitchen and a Bathroom ect  I fully realise some will be of high standard but its still shared accommodation

    we are seen as out of control and unregulated can you imagine getting in a Taxi at and airport and being told I will be charged £150 for a five min trip ie no rent control

    Can you also imagine getting into the same taxi and finding the Taxi Driver has not got a licence or a CRB check

    The above is only a short list of the issues the Public and the Govt see

    All Business make a profit its the way of the world but we are not seen as a business even the fact of the way S24 was done highlighted this point clearly

    Our Profession is as old as a Prostitute and as a Prostitute is only welcomed for there service by there customers

    But most folk don't welcome us I have seen this with my own eyes when I have Bought a House and The neighbours face drops when I say I am a Landlord because they worry about who will live next to them

    I don't have the answers But I do see the problem

    So in the long and short term I don't see the Govt helping us

    Because we are detested and work in a dark world just like a Prostitute who works the streets

    Sorry if this upsets anyone but I think I am closer to the Truth  - We Do It For The MONEY!

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    Learn Change and Adapt ?????

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    Of course the image is helped so much by boycotts of companies donating to shelter and i have to say labdlords on here consistently calling their tenants " SCUM" or agents charging people to view.

    Perception is key and the sooner certain people leave the industry the better.

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    Agree, was slightly concerned to see people type things like "tenants and their so called "rights"" from landlords on this forum.

    Tenants do have rights! They're not "so called", you can't do whatever you want and maximise profit at the expense of their rights. If those rights weren't there, accomadation and homes would be more like India or Nigeria, where tenants have next to no "rights" and landlords can do whatever they want, at any time.

    Just like consumers of food have "so called rights" and food producers are "targeted" by government and the public if they provide unsafe or terrible product, if they didn't, then our food would be like places where there is no standard and no rights, like China, where babyfood is can be ful of mercury because some producer thinks they can make a few extra $$$!

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    You're spot on.

    Too many landlords cry about being "targetted" and take things personally.

    We have the rule of law in this country and occasionally the regulations change,  big deal,  complying with regulation is just part of doing business properly.

    BTL regulation is a walk in the park compared to other businesses I'm involved with,  I think people just need to suck it up sometimes!

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    Agreed guys.  It was partly landlords outraged at experiencing a delinquent tenant that prompted me to write this:

    The business risk of being a landlord 


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    Do your tenants consider you a spiv or a rogue?  Based on your other posts I doubt it.

    I provide a good product at a fair price, ensure properties are prepared well and cleaned before each new tenancy.

    I treat tenants fairly during the term of the tenancy.

    At the end of a tenancy I will favour the tenant if there is any damage and deductions need to be made from the deposit, it isnt worth the aggravation and ill feeling to do anything else.

    Certainly there are landlords that put additional income before treating tenants fairly and they contribute to the public putting all landlords into the spiv and rogue category.

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    I hope my customers think I’m a good landlord I have very little turn over and they stay

    this blogg today is only about public and govt perception

    the reasons I see why we have S24 stamp duty tenants fee ban ect

    and more to come

    I don’t think we can change the perception

    even jesus ended up in a shed for a bed

    but the gravy train is slowing

    now because of government changes

    we can’t win this topic

    what I do see is the likes of Granger plc doing a good job

    without fuss or bragging and on the wealth road

    I’m not sure how I can change my bussinss to reflect the same

    ends

    I hope my Business goes on after my death providing good homes to good customers

    I make no bones my biggest driver was always wealth But today I see a different route long term

    I just want a Good Business and I think My new Company is the way to do it

    Try and build a Brand with a good name self management ect

    Most BTL owners are quite small its a cottage industry its a bit on the side  its not there day job

    I really believe that Cottage industry is coming to a close

    The only way we can get a better public Image is Brand and size

    Doing the right thing for a customer who in my opinion is NO1 in my business

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    I don’t think that the cottage industry is coming to an end, much of that sector has small borrowings and can easily ride out the cost increases but the regulatory changes may have more affect than on the larger landlords.  I also think much of that sector provide a better more personal service than many of the larger private landlords.

    We can change public and government perception by more of us providing a good product and at a fair price, more legislation is probably needed for that to extend to 100% of landlords.


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    Public perception is just that, a perception made by Joe Public.

    Who is Joe Public, and what criteria do they judge by? Is it jealousy, contempt, admiration, or something else? What have they done/do that I can judge them on?

    I think we have to be very aware now that media gets its viewing figures by stirring up negativity and dislike for another group, whether it be intentionally (like that Vice loser) or not. Whether that group has done anything to deserve this or not is another thing. Those media hack views are then perceived to be what Joe Public is thinking, or are they?

    How I'm perceived by someone I don't even know I don't worry about at all. I provide great properties at more than fair prices, spend a lot of time viewing the market that I'm in (always providing the best product for the best price) and am always looking to upgrade them and look at ways to improve the tenants and my experience.

    So no, I don't really care about what the public perception is of me when I can see properties from mine that are absolute dumps, both owner occupied and rentals.


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    I am sure you do a very good job

    but you have to relise Joe Public perception is vital

    this is the very reason why we have s24 ect

    Shelter genaration rent will have a larger say in what happens to your bussinss than you have

    the only true choice a landlord has is if they stay or go

    every change we have faced has been brought to our door because of public pressure

    and we should heed what they think because it’s important

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    Learn Change and Adapt ?????

    All comments are for casual information purposes only. If you wish to rely on any advice I have given please ensure you obtain independent specialist advice from a third party. No liability is accepted for comments made.